Increased intercourse frequency beyond age 60

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I include here a report of a friend who has gone along with most of the sexual enhancement combinations I have written about.

Before quoting, I do want to point out that several of his observations match my own: 1. that the pasak bumi (tongkat ali) feels more natural than dopaminergics of yohimbine. There is very little systemic effect; one does not feel that one has taken a medication. 2. that sex tends to be more direct, from start to finish in a straight line, with little incentive to delay.

As Jack raises the question of combining the tongkat ali with dopaminergics: I myself have tried it with cabergoline, pergolide, and bromocriptine. Not only did the tongkat ali not add to the usual effect of the dopaminergics; it rather diminishes it. I do not recommend combining tongkat ali extract with dopaminergics.

Tongkat ali extract works well with Viagra. I have not tried it with yohimbine. Genuine tongkat ali extract improves sleep architecture. However, an large number of tongkat ali products sold over the Internet are blended / laced with other substances, often secretly and illegally. This other substances may interfere with sleep... and the overall effectiveness of tongkat ali as well. It's better to go for an established pure tongkat ali extract, rather than a cheap bootleg variety.

On genuine quality tongkat ali extract, I sleep like a stone for about 6 hours every night. Yohimbine, as well as some other substances that influence sexual function, terribly interfere with sleep. If I were to choose between good sleep and good sex, I'd take the good sex. But if I can have both, I'm a happy man.

Here now Jack's first impression:

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Hello Sam,

Well, I tried the sample pasak bumi you sent me. Wow, is that stuff bitter! I added it to my morning coffee and arranged to meet my pal around mid-day. She was interested and went along, but I would not let her try it until I myself had proven its efficacy and harmlessness.

In an effort to make my first test as objective as possible, I took no other drugs or substances (Dostinex, yohimbine, apomorphine, etc). I did use 50mg of Viagra for "plumbing" purposes. The effect was surprising and profound. I felt a strong desire for sexual action after about 2 1/2 hours of taking 1 gram of pasak bumi. Orgasm occurred with ease in a time that is normal for me (about 20 minutes). I did not try to contain orgasm. Frankly, it just felt too good, but perhaps I could have used the usual delay techniques.

What is most interesting to me is the fact that we had had sex last Sunday evening, less than 3 full days ago. I'm in my 60's (granted in good shape but nonetheless 60's). Our usual rhythm is around 6 days between sex more or less depending on her desire cycles and mine. So at 3 days I would have expected a much lesser intensity of desire and orgasm.

In short, either the stuff is really good or the placebo effect is very strong in me given my good past experiences with all your suggestions. This I'll leave to you to ponder.

I kinda like the idea of switching off the dopaminergics periodically, although I have not witnessed a deterioration in their effectiveness. This may be because I only use them before my sex every 6 days or so. Also, I feel were I to wait the usual 6 days, my good experience with pasak bumi would have been even better.

Incidentally, I did not feel the aggressiveness you indicated. Maybe because I'm not an aggressive type to begin with. More will be revealed to us as we continue to experiment.

Hmmmm...I wonder what pasak bumi would be like in combination with some of our other "stuff", or am I asking for trouble? Any ideas about which of the substances we've worked on (other than Viagra, of course) might enhance the pasak bumi?

Jack

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The percentage of active ingredients in tongkat ali root is very low.

States the renowned US Massachussets Institute of Technology in its description of a research program for the "quantitative measurement of the chemical or bioactive constituents of Eurycoma longifolia (Tongkat Ali)":

"The yield of the bioactive constituents is extremely low at less than 0.005%. Hence, they are not easily available for further studies and for commercial preparations. The plant also requires a longer time to produce the secondary bioactive metabolites and their biological activities may be derived from more than one of the constituents."

The above means that the bioactive part of 1 kg of tongkat ali root is just 50 milligram (the twentieth part of 1 gram).

Please also remember the second part of the above MIT statement: "The plant also requires a longer time to produce the secondary bioactive metabolites and their biological activities may be derived from more than one of the constituents."

This clearly means that only old plants have an effect.

In Indonesia (where tongkat ali is known as pasak bumi), young plants are not used for medicinal purposes. Only roots of an age of at least 10 years are considered effective. And because Indonesia is the only country where tongkat ali is still found in the wild, it also is the only country from where one can obtain old tongkat ali root. There are simply no plantations where tongkat ali has been grown for at least ten years, no-where in the world. In Malaysia, the tongkat ali shrub has now been declared a protected plant, as over-collection in the wild has almost eradicated it from the forests of that country.

The common recommendation in Indonesia is that 20 to 50 gram of root are cooked for about half an hour to release the active ingredient. One drinks the resulting tea and discards the cooked root.

If you can get hold of tongkat ali root, this is probably the most effective tongkat ali you can use.

Tongkat ali (or eurycoma longifolia by its Latin scientific name) is a small tree that grows in the jungles of Southeast Asia). As I have been told, the root of a 10 to 20 year old tree or shrub weighs 3 to 7 kg. If 50 gram is the effective dose, than the root of a hole tree only yields about 60 to 140 dosages.

The roots of the tongkat ali tree grow 1 to 2 meters straight into the ground. They have very few branches. It takes two men several hours to dig out a single root.

In order to understand the economics of tongkat ali, all of the above is important.

Here you have a plant of a certain scarcity, which is difficult to harvest, and which yields only a tiny percentage of active ingredients, which have not been standardized. And you have a plant which has a great reputation, backed by scientific studies.

And what you get is this: herbal supplement dealers on the Internet and with brick-and-mortar stores who sell tongkat ali with huge profit margins. How come?

Of course, what they sell in capsules or as pouches is just plain tongkat ali powder. Plain tongkat ali powder is very light, as it's primarily cellulose. You can fit 300 mg the most into a standard supplement capsule.

If you are stupid enough to do so, you can buy a bottle of 30 or 60 capsules of tongkat ali powder for some 20 to 40 dollars. But do some simple arithmetic. 30 times 300 mg of tongkat ali powder in capsules are just 9 gram. So, for an effective single dosage, you'll need about five-and-one-half bottles, or 165 capsules of 300 mg tongkat ali powder. If you buy the capsules cheaply, a single effective dosage of tongkat ali will cost you upwards of 100 US dollars.

Check the website of the US Food and Drug Administration, www.fda.gov.

In their search field, enter: "eurycoma"

This will take you to the page:

http://www.fda.gov/ohrms/dockets/dockets/95s0316/95s-0316-rpt0123-01-vol85.pdf

You can see that an application has been filed for tongkat ali powder only, and not for extract.

Tongkat ali isn't a supplement for which a standard method of standardization would have been established. And under such circumstances, many variations of tongkat ali ingredients can be sold as extract.

The point is: you cannot buy tongkat ali or tongkat ali extract by looking at bottles and comparing prices. You can only buy it on the basis of personal experience with specific brands, or on the basis of trust. As you are shopping for active ingredients that haven't been clearly determined, a product that is 20 times more expensive per gram may actually be the cheaper one.

If you want to examine whether a product likely is just root powder or extract indeed, weigh it. A specific volume of extract is much heavier than the same volume of root powder. Root powder is mostly cellulose, and cellulose is light in weight (and color).

Extract is much heavier.

Tongkat ali extract is also highly aquaphile. If you touch it with your plain fingers, it will instantly form a sticky smear with traces of sweat from your skin, just as a cheap brand of instant coffee would.

Unfortunately, as the sale of health supplements is so little regulated, and because consumers clearly tend to buy the cheapest products, traders cheat. They do on the Internet and in the brick-and-mortar world. They promise you a good deal, when in fact, they sell you an inferior product.

Consumers look at labels only to see what is in the bottle, not how much of it. They don't look at the mg amounts, because they are not aware what therapeutic amounts are.

This is not specific to tongkat ali.

Take, for example, arginine: therapeutic dosages are in the range of 5 to 10 gram, on an empty stomach, and even such amounts are not felt. If you are sold capsules that contain 100 mg of arginine, you are taken for a ride. 100 mg of argenine is nothing. A spoonful of many kinds of food contains more argenine, and of course is just as effective or ineffective as a capsule with 100 mg of argenine in it.

Or take multivitamins with minerals. They pack 50 different nutrients into a single capsule, to impress the potential buyer. But it's not the list of names that you swallow. You ingest certain amounts of ingredients, including, for example, 10 mg of calcium, and 10 mg of potassium. I have to laugh. Half a glass of milk has much more calcium and potassium than those inferior capsules.

As what you buy in capsules all too often are diminutive amounts of an herbal that, in proper dosage, does have its medicinal value, you mustn't be surprised if you feel nothing, or a placebo effect at most.

A proper dosage of tongkat ali has an effect that can be felt. A proper dosage is about 50 gram of root powder or chipped root, cooked as a tea, or an extract, which is the equivalent of this.

500 mg root powder is not a proper dosage. Not even 10 times 500 mg. And 10 capsules with 300 mg of a 1:2 extract is also not a proper dosage. You won't feel anything from either.

So, what do I feel from a proper dosage of tongkat ali? A certain hotheadedness, improved bowel movements (only the first few times). I also feel energized and stimulated, but the tongkat ali does not interfere with sleep. If the tongkat ali capsules you bought make you sleepless, than they have been stretched, most probably with yohimbe.

However, the above are just side effects, not the effects I am after. Tongkat ali clearly improves libido, which is why I take it. Why I need it.

Tongkat ali improves libido, but not in the same way as dopaminergics do. Tongkat ali feels more natural than dopaminergics, and when I have taken tongkat ali for some time, I just wonder whether I'm not just perfectly healthy, sex-wise.

Then I stop the tongkat ali for a few days, and I know that I'm not. My sex drive will just be gone.

When I'm back on tongkat ali, I have it again: this teeth-clenching desire to tight-grip a female body, and to take her rough. Tongkat ali is like a libido mill in the back of my head. And when I have intercourse on tongkat ali, I am like a grinder. I move through intercourse like a gearwheel, not fast, but steady, and with a crushing certainty that the gearwheel will not stop before I have had my orgasm.

Yes, tongkat ali makes sex more egoistic. It makes me a very manly man. And a perfect lover.

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